The Referendum on the Voting System
By tomhornuk | Sunday, April 24, 2011, 09:43
Shortly everyone of voting age in Nailsea will be invited to participate in a referendum on the Alternative Voting System. Here are a few pointers to help you decide how to vote:
AV MYTHS:
The defenders of the status quo don’t want you to know what the change to AV really means.
They will say anything to stop giving voters more of a say, and
defending the old ‘jobs for life’ culture at Westminster. They will
say anything to defend a system that means:
- MPs can win seats with only 1 in 3 voters voting for them;
- MPs can have safe seats for life even though the majority of their constituents haven’t voted for them;
- MPs don’t have to reach out to secure over 50% of the vote in their constituencies.
But the truth is that the AV system is a small change that will make a
big difference – making MPs work harder to get and stay elected, and
giving you more of a say. No wonder the old political establishment
will say anything to stop it happening.
So let’s separate the fact from the fiction….
Myth 1) AV will cost us £250 million
The only piece of equipment you need to vote with AV is a pencil.
The No camp’s sums, like their arguments, simply don’t add up. Electronic counting machines aren’t an issue in this referendum.
Australia has hand counted its elections for 8 decades. The £130
million of make-believe machines don’t exist in Australia and won’t
exist in the UK.
AV will keep what is best about our current system – the link between
an MP serving their local constituency – but strengthens it by making
MPs work harder to get elected and giving voters more of a say. Short on arguments the No campaign are trying to claim we can’t afford change. After the expenses crisis we can’t afford not to.
Myth 2) AV is too confusing
Few people would be confused by this. Voters put a
‘1’ by their first choice, a ‘2’ by their second choice, a ‘3’ by their
third choice and so on. The logic’s familiar enough to anyone who’s ever
asked a friend to pop down to the shops for a coke and said, “If
they’re out of that I’ll have a lemonade.”
Some people have a very low estimation of the British public.
Myth 3) AV helps the BNP
The BNP have already called on their supporters to back a ‘No’ vote.
Currently because MPs can get elected with support from less than 1 in 3
voters, there is always a risk that extremist parties can get in.
The BNP have learnt this lesson, and have used it to scrape wins in
town halls across Britain. With AV, no-one can get elected unless most
people back them. Therefore the risk of extremist parties getting in by
the back door is eliminated.
Myth 4) No one uses AV
AV is a tried and tested system. In Britain millions
of people in businesses, charities, and trade unions already use it.
Political parties use it to elect their leaders. MPs themselves use it
to elect their Speaker and their officials.
When politicians are the voters – when they are electing their own
leaders – AV is the system they choose. When you need a real winner who
needs to speak for the majority AV is the go-to system.
Myth 5) AV means some people get two votes
No. With AV everyone gets one vote. The difference
is that AV gives you a vote that really counts and more of a say on who
your local MP is. If your first choice gets knocked out your vote is
transferred to your second preference. Whether you just vote 1 for your
favourite candidate or list a preference for every candidate on the
ballot only one vote will be counted.
If you go to the chip shop, and order cod and chips but they are out
of cod, and you choose pie and chips instead, you have still only had
one meal.
Myth 6) AV means more hung parliaments
No. Hung parliaments are no more likely with AV. And as you might have noticed First Past the Post has not given Britain any special immunity to hung parliaments.
Britain has experienced hung parliaments in the 1920s, 1970s and in
2010, and had periods in the 1950s, 1960s and 1990s where a single party
was unable to effectively govern alone. Canada, which uses First Past
the Post, has permanent hung parliaments. Australia uses AV, and has
returned its first hung parliament in 38 elections.
Hung parliaments occur if enough voters support a third party. AV
gives voters a greater say over candidates in their constituency. How
they vote is up to them.
Myth 7) AV means more tactical voting
No. AV simply eliminates the need for it. Why should
we have to abandon the party we actually support, to prevent the party
we least support getting in? The dilemma facing millions of voters is
often characterised as the choice between “voting with your head or your
heart”. AV allows people to do both.
AV offers an honest vote. It gives everyone a chance to vote
sincerely for the candidates they really want knowing their vote can go
further.
Myth 8) AV weakens the constituency link
No. AV keeps the link and makes it stronger. Politicians like to talk about their constituency link. And a lot of them seem to enjoy it a lot more than the voters.
Many of our MPs currently have a pretty dodgy link to their
constituents. Barely a third of MPs can speak for the majority of their
voters. AV strengthens the link by giving people the MPs they actually
voted for. AV forces complacent MPs to take heed of the interests of
their constituents because their jobs depend on it.
Myth 9) AV forces you to give a second preference
No. You can vote for as few or as many candidates as you like. AV gives you the freedom to vote sincerely for any number of candidates you feel are up to the job.
You aren’t forced to vote for any candidate you don’t want. If you
only want to support one candidate you can. Just mark an ‘X’ as you did
before.
Myth 10) AV means you end up with the least worst candidate
No. First Past the Post just lets in winners that most of voters didn’t want.
AV ensures a winning candidate has to work harder and go further to
secure support from a majority. That’s what’s needed to be ‘best’, and
may explain why politicians are so keen on AV when electing their own…
When Hollywood recently dumped First Past the Post for AV, they
didn’t change the wording on the statuette to Academy Award for Least
Worst Picture. They wanted a ‘Best Picture’ winner that could deliver on
that promise.
Myth 11) But First Past the Post is a British tradition…
Our parliament is not a museum. There has always been evolution in
our politics, and today AV is the logical next step - an ‘upgrade’ to
First Past the Post.
The secret ballot, votes for women, and votes for working people were
all innovations once, and met with opposition. These changes didn’t rip
up the rule book, but they were necessary to improve the way we do
politics.
Voters aren’t looking for a revolution. They’re looking for a simple change that preserves and improves on what’s come before.
WHAT's WRONG WITH 'FIRST PAST THE POST'?
Supporters of the status quo like to say “if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.”
It’s a healthy attitude to take. And 100 years ago it might even have been true of First Past the Post.
But our voting system had its day. It worked when a few million
voters had to choose between two parties. In the 21st Century voters
have moved on, but the rules of politics haven’t.
First Past the Post’s supporters like to describe it as simple and
robust. But it’s a blunt instrument - an analogue system in a digital
age. And it’s time for an upgrade.
Failing the test of fairness
First Past the Post fails the basic test of fairness, by letting many MPs speak for the majority with support from the few.
The system has also meant that half of the seats in the UK are
effectively ‘safe’ and are unlikely to ever change hands, effectively
giving their MPs jobs for life. This easily leads to complacency and
simply taking voters for granted. And we all saw the results of that in
the MPs’ expenses scandal.
Is it any wonder why so many voters feel there is little point in
voting? The result can appear a foregone conclusion unless you live in
one of the few communities where there’s a close contest. Even then
voters can end up having to vote tactically to stop one party rather
than voting positively for what they really believe in.
AV redresses the balance. AV gives voters more of a say and forces
candidates to work harder to ensure they have the backing of most voters
in their constituency. Divisive or complacent candidates would tend to
do badly - which is how it should be.
Defending the indefensible
First Past the Post’s defenders have a hard job on their hands. The
system fails each and every test even its own advocates have set up.
- The most popular candidate wins?
It’s essential
we have a legitimate voice speaking for us in parliament. But under
First Past the Post being popular just means having one more vote than
the next guy.
At present election ‘winners’ are all too often
opposed by the vast majority of voters. In some seats 7 out of every 10
voters wanted other candidates, but their views are ignored.
- A strong constituency link?
MPs are required to
represent our views in parliament. A real constituency link is vital for
them to do their jobs effectively.
A constituency link comes
with a real connection to the voters that put them in power. With so
many MPs lacking even a basic mandate from their voters, any claims to a
constituency link under First Past the Post look laughable.
- Delivering strong government?
Voters delivered a hung parliament in 2010 under First Past the Post, and not for the first time.
- Kicking out unpopular governments?
In just 1
election in 100 years has a government with a working majority been
replaced by a government with a working majority from another party.
Edward
Heath’s Conservatives did it in 1970, but no other party leader has
managed it because it’s nigh on impossible for voters to ‘kick the
rascals out.’
Under First Past the Post majority governments
appear to stay in power until they die in office, until their majorities
are worn down, or they’re replaced by minority or coalition
governments.
- A guardian against extremism?
First Past the
Post offers no protection against extremism. In town halls across
Britain BNP councillors have won power opposed by the vast majority of
mainstream voters. It’s the same trick they hope to repeat at
Westminster, perhaps explaining their support for a ‘No’ vote…
Anything’s possible when you only need 3 out of 10 voters on your side.
- One person, one vote?
With First Past the Post all votes are not created equal.
Parties steer well clear of the ‘safe seats’ the system creates,
because they know those elections can’t ever be won or can be won
without lifting a finger. Either way it’s simply not worth the effort.
Instead
it’s in the few seats where the winner isn’t known where politicians do
all they can to win. And the result? A handful of lucky voters in these
marginal seats decide our elections.
In my view you have ask yourself some simple questions: "Am I happy with the calibre of MP that the FPTP system, over the years, has delivered to me? Am I happy with successive governments which have got this country into 4 TRILLION pounds of debt....a debt so massive that future generations will be paying it off? To me its a no-brainer....almost any voting system should be better than the one we've got. The coming referendum is a golden opportunity, right here in Nailsea, to send a message to those who have served this country so badly.
TH
Comments
I've just awoken on the big referendum day with an important insight. I've got Mr OhAye to thank for this because he was eager to 'present some balance' into this thorny issue. 'Balance' is good because it represents a point of view that is 'not too this' or 'not too that'. I support 'balance' all the way. I'm sure Mr OhAye will also be keen to have the Truth with a capital T presented because the Truth represents a balanced view which is not spin 'that way' or spin 'this way'. The Truth is balanced.
So what is the relevant Truth that will help us decide whether to vote for FPTP or AV? The Truth is that successive governments of FPTP MPs have got us into a hole so deep that we are not going to get out of it, not even with the help of as yet unborn generations. Plainly these FPTP MPs do not understand how the world works and therefore should not have been allowed within a million miles of the allocation of public money. I came to this conclusion when I heard one FPTP MP say with confidence: "There will be no return to boom and bust!" What happened? We went bust! They have not got a clue...not one clue. And we are paying the price. These are the facts....the unvarnished Truth.
We need something new. But I'm far from convinced we are going to get it. I come to this conclusion because there is something the general public hates more than anything in the world. And that is the Truth. They would rather abide in fantasy as the recent Royal Wedding has shown all to clearly.
But they could wake up a do the right thing today....who knows?
By tomhornuk at 07:46 on 05/05/11
ReportOk, I'll come clean guv, I lifted the article. I wanted to get down and dirty along with the MPs who are campaigning for FPTP. I think you'll agree with me, Mr OhAye, when I point out that the FPTP MPs are really desperate that we should not vote for the AV system. Why is that? I'll tell you why, it is because the AV system will hurt them. That's good enough for me. It is indisputable that these FPTP MPs have hurt this country beyond measure. So, Mr OhAye, may I extend to you an invitation to join me and all the yes voters on a formal mission to kick these MPs up the backside. They deserve it don't they?
By tomhornuk at 20:19 on 04/05/11
ReportTom, you say in your main article above “...Here are a few pointers to help you decide how to vote...”. Now it seems to me that the almost all of your article is lifted (cut and paste) from the http://tinyurl.com/3ynf2cb the website for the “campaign for a ‘yes’ vote” - you could’ve at least credited them.
.....Purely, to present some balance, anyone who’s read the ‘YES’ spin above could check-out the ‘NO’ spin here http://tinyurl.com/3g6frsb a website for the ‘no’ vote
By oh_aye30 at 18:14 on 04/05/11
ReportI agree with Mr Oh-aye, there will be a compromise, but thing to be compromised, if First Past The Post wins the referendum will be the best interests of the voting taxpayer.
What has FPTP done for us? I'll tell you what it has done. FPTP has spawned MPs who, only 5 minutes ago, were fiddling us through their expenses system. They fought tooth and nail to defend the indefensible and prevent their excesses from being exposed. They would still be lining their pockets at our expense to this day had their activities remained a secret. They are trying to defend the indefensible again with a dirty campaign against AV. How can it possibly be fair that FPTP MPS should speak for all of us when they are only supported by 30% of the vote. Its nonsense. It wouldn't be so bad if these MPs had done good. But successive governments of FPTP MPs have allowed the public sector to become larger than the wealth creating private sector resulting in a national debt so massive that we, as a country, can only be described as ruined.
It gets worse. We've got no money and the only way the economic system can be made to work at all is on a 'rob Peter to pay Paul' basis. And who is Peter? Who is going to be robbed? Answer: Each one of you hard working tax payers is Peter. You will be robbed as anyone suffering the cuts will know.
It gets worse still. Very shortly, you, the people of Nailsea are going to be robbed of your quality of life and everything you hold dear when Liam Fox is over-ruled and the huge pylon project gets the go-ahead. You will be robbed so that others living elsewhere can have slightly cheaper electricity and shareholders can get their dividends. You will experience first hand the consequences of having to live in a rob Peter to pay Paul economy. And FPTP MPs won't hesitate to do this to you.
So this is what the voting system of FPTP has done to us and will do to us if they get the chance. It is worth remembering that when you put a cross on that referendum ballot paper, you could be saying: "DO IT TO ME!"
Current MPs are desperate that you don't vote for AV. These MPs think they have found in FPTP a way to take the easy route to power and to get payed for failure. This referendum is your one tiny window of opportunity to deny them what the want and send them home weeping. Do it to them before they do it to you....vote AV.
By tomhornuk at 16:00 on 04/05/11
ReportSo, will anyone be voting for a "miserable little compromise"?
By oh_aye30 at 20:24 on 03/05/11
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